Saturday, December 30, 2006

Bonhoeffer and the Emerging Church

some of you love BonHoeffer and othes of you the emerging church. well here si somethign for the bothe of you. kind of like killing two birds with one post.

Ph.D. Application Paper - Bonhoeffer and the Emerging Church

Tuesday, December 26, 2006

how someone else prepares an expository sermon

i can not for the life of me think of where i found the link the fourth part of this series, but i figured if i wanted to share with you i would want to do a better job and start you out at ther first part of this four parter. i found it very affriming. i do much of hwat he does myself. but not all.

how i prepare an expository sermon

Friday, December 22, 2006

sprinkle or submerge, baby or believer

Byroniac said...
Well, I'm certainly not going to settle the credobaptist vs. paedobaptist debate. The best I've managed so far is to muddy the waters a little. I do have some problems with paedobaptism as a credobaptist, such as the following:

1. (OK, help me out here Chris) the Greek Baptizo was transliterated instead of translated, as it means "immerse" or "dip" from what I've read.

Yes my brother you are right, to make whelmed (that is, fully wet) to immerse, to dip, to dunk, to submerge.

Joh 3:22-23 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. (23) And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

There is no need for there to be much water if we are sprinkling babies like kids splashing at the city pool in the summer.

2. Linking OT circumcision (males only) to NT baptism (males and females). Lydia was baptized (Acts 16:14-15) and in other instances households were baptized, which would include females (the NT pattern as best I understand it is believers-only).

The Gospel of Thomas might help in this - 114 “Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven." Ha

3. Related to my comment above, there are NO explicitly paedobaptist references in the NT that I know of. All explicit references are Credobaptist in nature (I believe deliberately, in order to establish the apostolic pattern at first).

Your right again. With out a passage saying that they carried the infant down to the spring, that Paul bid them grace and peace as he urged them to wash the tottler for the remission of sins or the sake of the covenant, or Jesus saying for bid not the children for bid the children to be immersed. Additionally if we play out the first Adam and the Second Adam in parallel, we see that Adam was in an adult form, able to be cogent and conscious of the workings of God. Likewise, Jesus at his baptism as was in an adult form. The Jesus baptismal formula show that Jesus was able to believe as “Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.” Matt 3:15
Finally when we see covenants established in the Scripture like God’s with Abraham, we see an adult, who can use logic and make decisions, entering into the bond of a coventant

4. (Calvinist disclaimer) Paedobaptism by its very nature is designed to show membership in a covenant and not necessarily election unto eternal salvation. My understanding of this is probably simplistic, but I cannot see what benefits the infant possibly acquires outside of earthly covenantal membership benefits of the church, if God is truly not obligated to grant salvation to the baptized infant by the act of baptism. Even if Calvinistic election is not true, paedobaptism effectively shows nothing positive in the spiritual realm if the individual does not come to belief and salvation in Christ that I can see (it's simply a case of quite literally "going through the motions" and "joining the club").

What would the purpose of bringing them into a covenant if they were not to be partakers of the Kingdom of God. This would be superfluous head start to no where. It is much like amputating both of a man’s legs during a routine checkup because there might be need in the distance future. Unfortunatly, this leaves its proponents much like the ma, with out a leg to stand on.

5. The strongest arguments for paedobaptism generally come from two areas: historical church tradition (see #3 above) and Scriptural inference (if paedobaptism is true, it is a puzzling difficulty to explain the lack of a single explict paedobaptism in the NT as one would reasonably expect... however, this point is softened somewhat by the paedobaptist focus on the many references to household baptism in the NT).

Paedobaptism and Credobaptism are both positions worthy of respect and study. However, I believe both sides would agree that the two are mutually exclusive: they both cannot be right. In my opinion, that honor falls to Credobaptism alone. However, this is not a fellowship issue among Christian brethren, or at least should not be.

If we go off of history as the basis for Paedobaptism we, must be prepared to embrace heresy. First we must be rebirth ourselves into Roman Catholicism. Next we must deny our history that includes the believers that we persecuted by the Catholic and Protestants. Yes those that they documented as Anabaptist - the rebaptizers and dunkers and the Catabaptist – drowners. Furthermore History has also preached for simony, indulgences and slavey. Please explain why we would follow one and not adhere to the others. What about OT Laws?

y r u a baptist

Every Baptist ought to know why he is a Baptist, and to know it from the specific commands of God’s Word. Not to have such knowledge is for our churches to be harmed in every way.”

----- George W. Truett, pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas, 1897-1944


i know next to nothing aobut Bonhoeffer. but Steve of Citizen Bezner does. His PhD dissertation at Baylor is on this very subject.

The Comfort of Tradition

It is not till such times as these that we realize what it means to possess a past and a spiritual inheritance independent of changes of time and circumstance. The consciousness of being borne up by a spiritual tradition that goes back for centuries gives one a feeling of confidence and security in the face of all passing strains and stresses. I believe that anyone who is aware of such reserves of strength need not be ashamed of more tender feelings evoked by the memory of a rich and noble past, for in my opinion they belong to the better and nobler part of mankind. They will not overwhelm those who hold fast to values that no one can take from them.

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer -

from Letters and Paper from Prison 57

from A Year with Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Carla Barnhill, Ed., HarperSan Francisco, 2005

Thursday, December 21, 2006

The Sword of Surprise

The Sword of Surprise
by G.K. Chesterton

Sunder me from my bones, O sword of God
Till they stand stark and strange as do the trees;
That I whose heart goes up with the soaring woods
May marvel as much at these.

Sunder me from my blood that in the dark
I hear that red ancestral river run
Like branching buried floods that find the sea
But never see the sun.

Give me miraculous eyes to see my eyes
Those rolling mirrors made alive in me
Terrible crystals more incredible
Than all the things they see

Sunder me from my soul, that I may see
The sins like streaming wounds, the life's brave beat
Till I shall save myself as I would save
A stranger in the street.

theological implications of Cinnamon Bun Bread

For a much need addition to your tummy during this season of celebration the birth of Christ i would like to share this recipe that I recently found.

Cinnamon Bun Bread

It sound good, looks good and when I or my wife can make it, will taste good.

oh, as to the theological implications of Cinnamon Bun Bread, i'm still working it out! :^)

Friday, December 15, 2006

the gift that keeps on giving ... but only if you are married

i despise xanga, facebook, bebo, myspace and such realted creatures. Every once in a while something good comes along like this post from Dione, a young lady that grew up in the same neighborhood i did as well as attended the same church.

Gifts - Thursday, December 07, 2006

Ok so I read this in a book...

" My body is a gift and God gets to decide who to give it to, not me. And the best presents are the ones that are all wrapped up, not the ones that have been opened and rewrapped and now no longer sticks."

It also has this verse...

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (New American Standard Bible)
19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

children bobbing like carrots and potatoes

My friend at Byron of Isaiah 8:16 as recently posted about question and a mini-response to a poetry blogger's thoughts about paedobaptism and credobaptism. I have some thoughts of my own, but not enough time to go into it in depth or to plug-in in all the Scripture. Maybe Byron will drop by and settle the whole sprinkle the baby or dunk a believer controversy...

To argue for paedobaptism and assert that more Scriptural that credobaptism would seem to defy proper theology. To say that it is indeed appropriate to submerge infants because one can not prove salvation of an adult member is the issue because some have “crept in unawares” is fool hearty at lest as it says that we should ascend the helm of judgment. A lowered standard of Church Membership is not justification for heterodoxy, if so homosexuality would be an appropriate remedy to a bad marriage. What other left over Roman Catholic traditions that have not been fully reformed would one like to add to Scripture? This doctrine would seem to be equivalent to the Mormon heresy of baptizing for the dead.

Baptismal water should only ripple for a professing believer and not be a soup broth of children bobbing like carrots and potatoes around the pot roast of believers. It is the "get them all wet" attitude that would seem to be inappropriate as it belittles and contradicts the Doctrines of God. It would seem that God’s sovereign election would have been superseded by man’s fancy and His willed election is now trivial as we have baptized all into the kingdom. That is those God foreordained and men chose. Truely a universal(ist) error. This alone creates a problem of those that have not “crept in unawares,” but of those who were purposely brought in by the unaware. Additionally by dipping the innocent we create a false hope and security. How is this superior? Non-believers are now under the influence of the of the paedobaptistic waters with the idea that they too will inherit the Kingdom of God. Now the false Christ claimers, the unregenerate are the face of Christ’s Church

Thursday, December 14, 2006

taking time for tilly

MJTilly of The Foolishness of Preaching
and fellowship class wrote ...
Love that quote. But doesn't it seem to steer awfully closely to what some would perjoratively call "Lordship" salvation? I ask with two motives: 1) to point out that what some deride as a form of "works" salvation or legalism, may be more Biblical than it's given credit for -- see James for this perspective (of course, it should be noted for the record that I say that while in the midst of wrestling with this concept) and 2) to feel you out for your take on that subject.

This was in regards to a quote from Dr. Hulitt Gloer.

"Faith is trusting God with your life to the point of obedience."

Thanks for you honesty in your posting. I did not see the works angle in the quotation … but I’m still thinking about it. As for the Lordship Salvation, I personally do not see a problem with it. In truth I found that I was believed this prior to my discovery that there was a doctrine by that name. Later when I found that there was a heated controversy about it was shocked. I did not see it as an issue.

Lets us address the term “Lord” for a moment. The 1828 Webster’s Dictionary defines a lord as “a master; a person possessing supreme power and authority; a ruler; a governor.”
I think that Jesus has possessing supreme power and authority, that he does rule over and governs my life.

From Thayer’s –
1) He to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
1a) the possessor and disposer of a thing
1a1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
1a2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
1b) is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master

Others like the New American, Easton’s, Vine’s only do more justice to the term “Lord” having authority over us.

So if we look at the term lord like this and bring in Romans 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED," I think we are admitting that we are submitting ourselves to the Authority of Jesus.

Then look at Luke 6:46 “Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? He Jesus gives us the idea that he does hold the clout of “Lord” and that obedience is suppose to come with it.

In closing I thing someone like John Piper could do a better job of bring the Lordship/obedience/faith

Additionally I think the quote deals more with the fact that as we grow in faith, we are trusting God more, we are surrendering more in the relationship and we are growing to be obedient in all area of are life. We submit ourselves more. Think sanctification.

More could be said and should be said about this, but my mind is a bit fuzzy at this moment and my eyelids droopy.
In closing a want to at least leave you with a few more verses that can kind of go with this. Are at least in my mind they do ….

Joh 14:21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.

PS. You webpage for the Sunday School looks great!!! More that teach should do this.

the future of baylor

from wikipedia...

In 2000, the university sought to expand its vision of a scholarly institution with a strong sense of Christianity. Baylor, under then President Robert Sloan Jr., created a written statement to detail the exact goals of this vision. This statement was appropriately titled, Baylor 2012, the year by which the school hopes to achieve its aims. The university intends to "enter the top tier of American universities while reaffirming and deepening its distinctive Christian mission." It was presented in September 2001, and approved by the Board of Regents shortly afterwards. The Vision is based upon twelve key imperatives designed to create a more fulfilling educational experience in a unique Christian environment.

The twelve imperatives are:

1. Establish an environment where learning can flourish
2. Create a truly residential campus
3. Develop a world-class faculty
4. Attract and support a top-tier student body
5. Initiate outstanding new academic programs in selected areas
6. Guide all Baylor students, through academic and student life programming,
to understand life as a stewardship and work as a vocation
7. Provide outstanding academic facilities
8. Construct useful and aesthetically pleasing physical spaces
9. Enhance involvement of the entire Baylor family
10. Build with integrity a winning athletic tradition in all sports
11. Emphasize global education
12. Achieve a two-billion dollar endowment

faith = obedience

"Faith is trusting God with your life to the point of obedience."
- Dr. Hulitt Gloer

losing faith

wow. some times you read about some one and what has happened to them and you go "wow!" in this blog check out what happened to Dr. Bart Ehrman.


Wednesday, December 13, 2006

gre help

in my quest to get more info about baylor and their religion program i figured that i would goolge around and see what i could find. in the process i hit upon this about taking and studying for the gre. he also gave some insight about the test and the money side, that is you get money for it.

How to Study for the GRE

Sunday, December 10, 2006

when the koran hits the fan

wow the is article i nthe Houston Chronicle blew me a way. It seems war between the mason and and the muslim as broke out it katy, tx. If any one kind enjoy this is would be Byron of Isaiah 8:16 and Byronic fame, so ck him out too.

Baylor prof says Schaeffer remained a fundamentalist

i am not to familiar with Francis Schaeffer but i have an understanding that he has been of great aid to the church. the Baptist standard has an article that you might want to at least gloss over

Baylor prof says Schaeffer remained a fundamentalist

Saturday, December 09, 2006

David Ritsema at New Testament Studies Blog - Seeking Knowledge In Order to Serve has blogged an intresting post uses of the Ot in the NT. This is of keen intrest to me ask I have just finished a masters course at BMA Theologial Seminary with the amazing profesor Dr. Phillip R. Bryan.

Thursday, December 07, 2006

to read or to read better

if you are like me you like a great book, even a good book. i used to be a voracious reader ... but then i got hooked on magazines and reading on the net. this type of reading only fuels my A.D.D. i am trying to be a better reader and omprove my speed. with this in mide i share this with you for your pleasure of becoming a better readers.

How to Be a Bookworm...

Wednesday, December 06, 2006

81-Year Degree Plan

some times poeple are given great honor for what they have done. some times the good guys wins in the end. this is the case here as we see a man get a degree at 81 yrs old.

The 81-Year Degree Plan: BBA Degree Awarded to Oldest Recipient in Baylor's History

Monday, December 04, 2006

Bob Dylan on the Bible

“There are over 20 million Bibles distributed every year, and the Bible can be read aloud in 70 hours – though you might want to take a nap between the Old and New Testaments. Nine out of every ten Americans own at least one Bible – what’s up with the other guy?”

—Bob Dylan, Theme Time Radio Hour, Episode 19: “The Bible,” 6 September 2006.

Saturday, December 02, 2006

shoul i stay or should i go ...

better yet, should we fight to keep them or just let them go .... colleges and seminaries that is. There has been so much fighting over these pedagogary institutes it makes one wonder - SBC Leader Says Fighting Over Baptist Colleges a Waste of Time

Friday, December 01, 2006

baylor stuff

As the reading audience around here knows, after i complete my master's degree I would love to pursue a doctorate, phd to be percise. One school seems to be where my heart is purposed. Baylor. Please no hate mail, just prayers ... I'll take tuition money too. :^) So if you read around on Baylor you get all kinds of views. here are some links to some of the most intresting or from insiders.

oh and some on Baptist/Christian education

Baylor: A University in Need of Change

Excuse me, it’s a Baptist college

Baylor, Bibles, boots and education

Well, who'da thunk it?

The Francis Beckwith Story


Get your Mojo on

"The education of David Jeffrey" by Jennifer Green

From the Chronicle of Higher Education

Wednesday, November 29, 2006


"Truth is the consistency and agreement of our ideas with the ideas of God." - Jonathan Edwards

sneek peek for all you regular readers

Next fall, as per my inside source, will have a special SBC guest. The Lion. That is right, at the Brand lecture, Paige Patteson will be adressing the BMA Theological Seminary body. I understand that the topic will be on glossa, γλῶσσα, the gift of tongues. So will the unleashed Lion be able to tame the tonuges issue amoung Baptist. Well, we will have to wait and see.

the making of community

Kyle Sears is planting a new church in Hutto, Tx called Resonate. While I really dig the name (it's just too cool), I found a thought proving post on thier blog from back in June. I have provided the whole post, but would love to hear what you think about community.

June 21st, 2006

The Making of Community

The Sears Family

Posted by Kyle Sears in Love

How do you go about creating community? Just because you live in a community doesn’t necessarily mean you live in community. I’ve found that one of the greatest needs of my generation is the need for community. We grew up in disconnected homes, and that lack of being connected has made us value a rich, community-driven lifestyle. Sites like Digg and MySpace are all about groups of people interacting together. Massively-multiplayer online games (MMOs) like World of Warcraft seek to establish a connection.

But very few of us actually have a true sense of community, of reliance and appreciation for each other in a tangible sort of way. Most of the time, we encounter communities where we don’t belong, or where cliques squelch any individuality that we have.
Unfortunately, this happens at church, too. Many churches are glorified high school cafeterias, where “outsiders” aren’t truly welcomed (at least not before they join). We say we’re a community of believers, but often that means we’re a community of people gathered around an event or a program. Jesus made it clear that true community forms around a cause (Matthew 4:19).

At Resonate Community, we want to show people how to live inside-out, or lives of authentic transformation (I’ll post more on what this means later). This lifestyle is available to anyone and everyone, even if you’ve never been to church before. I think that, as we help others find this kind of life, they’ll want to join us in our cause. And as we bond together, community forms. Suddenly, it’s not about what we wear or what kind of car we drive or how busy we are, but it’s about helping others find the heartbeat of God. As Resonate Community gets started, we want that passion to sustain us. Not everyone is going to “get it.” Some people will always think that church means wasting your time for an hour or two on Sunday morning. We think there’s more to it than that. Church can be a place where people find who they really are, and are happy with what they see.

Monday, November 27, 2006

to phd or not and then what?

not awaly do we get what we want, notr do we know what we are getting in too. As well, i have had some questions about perusing a PhD or not. Then I have the wonders about beings A "fresher" or a new PhD grade trying to get a teaching position. the link below has a great help and a new source of worry.

Thursday, November 23, 2006

phd or nor

thininking aboout research, academiaand pedagoary at the collegette level. think again. Daniel (not Dan) may persuade you to not get a phd after all. or this is really good advice for what you should do if you want to.

Sibboleth: TEDS

Sunday, November 12, 2006

Thank you, Dr.House

The other night, on Friday, November 10, 2006 on an episode of House, entitled Fools for Love, on USA network; Dr. House (of the shows name sake) made a funny. He said that he was kept up late at night because of the Loch Ness monster, Global Warming, Evolution and other “mythical things”. The last part in quotes and italics because I had already begun to laugh and can’t quite remember what he said. I just was goofing over the equality of the Loch Ness and Evolution. I hope this thought brightens your day as much as it brought joy to my heart.

Jesus vs. Us

The life of Jesus on earth may be divided into two great periods,

(a.) that of his private life, till he was about thirty years of age; and

(b.) that of his public life, which lasted about three years.

The uniqueness to this to me is that Jesus took thirty years to prepare for three years of ministry. On the opposite end of this spectrum is that we have many ministers that take three years to prepare for thirty years of ministry.

Tuesday, November 07, 2006

Friday, November 03, 2006

Apologize Now

American Legion Called on Senator Kerry: Apologize Now
October 31 2006 Standard Newswire

MEDIA ADVISORY, The National Commander of The American Legion called on Sen. John Kerry to apologize for suggesting that American troops in Iraq are uneducated.
"As a constituent of Senator Kerry's I am disappointed. As leader of The American Legion, I am outraged," said National Commander Paul A. Morin. "A generation ago, Sen. Kerry slandered his comrades in Vietnam by saying that they were rapists and murderers. It wasn't true then and his warped view of today's heroes isn't true now."
While addressing a group of college students at a campaign rally in Pasadena, California, Monday, Kerry suggested that they receive an education or "if you don't, you'll get stuck in Iraq."
"While The American Legion shares the senator's appreciation for education, the troops in Iraq represent the most sophisticated, technologically superior military that the world has ever seen," Morin said. "I think there is a thing or two that they could teach most college professors and campus elitists about the way the world works.
"And while we are on the topic of education, why doesn't senator Kerry and his comrades in Congress improve the GI Bill so all of today's military members - reserves and guard included - can achieve the educational aspirations that the senator so highly values?" Morin said. "The senator's false and outrageous attack was over-the-top and he should apologize now."

Thursday, November 02, 2006

For the 'Reverends'

"In ourselves we are poor, sinful erring creatures, and daily do we have occasion to blush and hang our heads in shame. Therefore we respectfully request that none will address us as 'Reverend'. No worm of the dust is due such a title.

- Arthur Pink

Friday, October 20, 2006

what is wrong with the name baptist

This is in refrence and rebuttal to an artivle by jospeh Harris which ha can be found here, or more easily here,

Unfortunately to many Baptist Churches are stinking up the place. Some make it so hard for others to use the identifier of Baptist without being treated unfairly.  I am all for Baptist being on the sign.  I even argued/discussed with at current seminary professor and students from his Church about why they dropped Baptist from their sign.  But I was reminded that the great Baptist Spurgeon pastored two churches that we not Baptist.  Was he wrong for pastoring and preaching at these churches?  Is it more important to be Baptist in name or Baptistic in teaching?  In truth there are some churches that use the Baptist moniker that are truly Pentecostal.  So what of them? Are they better for the name of Baptist?  What happens when a good name is tarnished?  One of the unique thing about a church that does a membership class, a 101 class or what ever they call it, is that they go over who they are, who they associate with, what they believe, and why? In this you find out if the Country Church or the New Life Fellowship are Baptist are not.

One last situation to ponder – You were to plant a church in a small town where there have been three prior Baptist Churches. In which, one had a horrible money scandal, another an adulterous legacy and the third was recently ravaged with Child Pornography. The Baptist name was now much.  When you knocked on a door and said you we asking some “spiritual questions” and the found out you were Baptist, every time you were cursed and the door was slammed because the community had been betrayed and the Baptist before you had failed them.  Who it be stewardship to starchy wave than Baptist flag in their wounded faces, or instead, suck up our Baptist pride and present Jesus to them and later teach them why we feel so strongly about the Baptist faith.

After all it is Jesus that saves and not the Baptist name.

With this said, I am a Baptist, love being Baptist, our church carries the name Baptist, and I even love the ol’ landmarks.

Saturday, October 14, 2006

Has Harvard returned to thier roots

Has Harvard gone back to God?? Have they repented.??

BOSTON - Harvard University, founded 370 years ago to train Puritan ministers, should again require all undergraduates to study religion, along with U.S. history and ethics, a faculty committee is recommending.
The surprisingly bold recommendations come after years of rancorous internal debate over what courses should be required of all Harvard students. The current core curriculum has been criticized for focusing on narrow academic questions rather than real-world issues students would likely confront beyond the wrought-iron gates of Harvard Square.
The report calls for Harvard to require students to take a course in "reason and faith," which could include classes on topics such as religion and democracy, Charles Darwin or a current course called "Why Americans Love God and Europeans Don't."

Ck out the rest of this article at Harvard mulls over religion courses

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Tuesday, October 10, 2006

Byroniac: Ubuntu Christian Edition

for all you Godly linux users this is for you.

Byroniac: Ubuntu Christian Edition

Not sure if this will come in rReformed, Charasmatic, Free Will, Non-Denom or General Versions. ck back on that.

What ever floats your boat

This last weekend was Diboll Days. It came, extracted life fron our bodies, and left to come again in two years. There might be a reason that it is only done every two years. We may need to use that time to rejuvinate ourselves. Our Church, Pine Grove Baptist, had a float. It was the first time we have done this from what I have been told. But I think it went well. We went with the theme of "America bless God" instead of the norm of "God bless America." When asking God to bless us we are aking God to make us happy. In truth it should be the other way around.

One thing that stands out about the parade is that when we were rounding the corner by Brookshire Brother's. The flags that were part of the parade were beautifuly flying and an older hispaninc man in a vertern's hat, stood up at attention, removed his cap and saluted the flag as a patriot. I was a beautiful moment. Simply, it was a grand highlight of what was a great parade adn a great entrane for Pine Grove Baptist as a vital, living Church.

Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Final Words

I was looking at Francis Beckwith’s Blog today as his name was mentioned in class today. As I was scanning his blog I read his post about Former President Slone final Commencement Speech of Baylor. . thisi s a must read. You can also view the hole enchilada at Baylor site too.

this is a must read !

Monday, September 11, 2006

bad to worse

it has been a while since i have blogged, but thensome times something comes along that just makes you want to ask" R U smokingcrack?" this is one of them .....

ck it out and let me know wat you think.

Thursday, July 27, 2006

is allah the same as our God

Some would tell you that God and Allah are the same. fell that thisis not the case as God has son and Allah does not. Further more we find a diffrence in what they

ALLAH: "Fight, slay Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."Qur'an, Sura 9:5

CHRIST: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Wednesday, July 19, 2006

Why God Never Received Tenure at any University

1. He had only one major publication.

2. It was in Hebrew.

3. It had no references.

4. It wasn't published in a refereed journal.

5. Some even doubt he wrote it himself.

6. It may be true that he created the world, but what has he done since then?

7. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited.

8. The scientific community has had a hard time replicating his results.

9. He never applied to the Ethics Board for permission to use human subjects.

10. When one experiment went awry he tried to cover it up by drowning the subjects.

11. When subjects didn't behave as predicted, he deleted them from the sample .

12. He rarely came to class, just told students to read the Book.

13. Some say he had his son teach the class.

14. He expelled his first two students for learning.

15. Although there were only ten requirements, most students failed his tests.

16. His office hours were infrequent and usually held on a mountaintop.

Thursday, July 13, 2006


Many times we do research work for a lcassthat sits on desk, get filed in a drawer, lost on the hard drive or even thrown away. This does not profit the Family of God and the Body of Christ. So I share as found below in the PDF format.

Bibliography of Creativity
Bibliography of Ecclesiology
Bibliography of Man

Tuesday, July 11, 2006

thought of the day

“Amen’s” in the pew don’t mean anything if they are equaled or usurped by the “un-uh’s” at home.

Thursday, July 06, 2006

Thursday, June 15, 2006

Q and A

A few questions have been proposed and now is the perfect time to answer them.

Q -“Why did I resign from Carlo and was it to pursue education?”

A - I resigned from Carlos because I felt that God had used me all that we wanted to in that ministry. It was a place where I grew and was challenged and so was the congregation. I felt that God was done with us there. I had no clue where I would go after this or if I would go anywhere. The sad part is that everything that we did for Christ, was slowly undone by some people as we were leaving, and a bunch of other things were proposed to be done after I would be gone and could say nothing. I made my heart cry and my soul bleed to see what was happening. Unfortunately, I was not purposed by God to be there. It was almost like; God was going to let them have enough rope to hang themselves. Not very spiritual, but true. It is amazing how a church can go from 17 to 55 and be unhappy because of the growth and crush the new believers and drive away the new members. Unfortunately, I think of sermons about the Prayer of Jabez in which were have heard that God will not give us more if we don’t act as good stewards of what He has entrusted us with already, Anyway, God was showing us that this was coming to and end to us. Actually, I think that I tried to stick it out a little longer that God wanted us to. Oh, and I would have kept going with the education with or without the pastorate at Carlos. I feel God will use me in religious pedagogy later on as well as the pulpit.

Q - “Why in the world would you choose Baylor University?”

A – I would not have Chosen Baylor. I have felt God showing me this University for some time now. I have fought it on and off, but have come to the point where I have said “God I am not going to fight you, I will submit to You and be happy, because you know what is best for me, even if it is not what I would want.” Baylor will be drastically different from my Missionary Baptist roots. Mid America would go well with what I believe, or Mid-Western, Southwestern, even Southern would have been a closer fit. They are not known for their conservative views if you know what I mean. . As an SBC pastor told me one, we say we conservative and they are liberal, they say we are fundamentalist and they are moderate. I think that is will be great for me from a personal development point. Additionally, they are rated as a top notch Research University. I hope to stick close to the Chancellor Robert Sloan. He is a great guy and conservative. He is the one that cast the Vision 2012. At 20 plus grand a semester in the Ph.D. program, I would have never chosen to go to Baylor, but when the King says go, you go.

Thursday, June 08, 2006

pro ecclesia - pro texana

God has a way of doing things to us and with us that we would never do by ourselves or have he strength to pull off. I bring this up because the Lord has brought Baylor University up to me several times and has been making it more and more evident that it is where He would like me to do my PhD work when it time comes. Now this is not what I would have chosen for myself, but if this is what He truly wants for me, then I will pursue it with joy and tenacity. But Baylor is not the kind of school that my background is. I am conservative, fundamental, Associational, Missionary Baptist and a touch Independent Baptist and to top it off a landmarker. So as you can see Baylor will be one of those places that God uses me to push me, to stretch me and to grow me. It will be different and exciting. So, I guess after I am done at the BMA Theological Seminary, I will become a Baylor Bear.

I guess that you could say that Baylor is pro ecclesia, pro texana, and not pro chris-a.

BGCT gets it right...

In Texas the BGCT is not looked upon fondly by many. In fact a previous pastor I had called them the "Baptist God Cant Trust." but in the article below entitled BGCT gets it right the guys get a little props for a change.

the ringing of the bell

follow the link to a great article on rob bell.

the ring of the bell

follow the link to a great article on rob bell
here is a power quote from bell after they have poked at him.

Bell's detractors have accused him of championing a postmodern fad, of relativizing Scripture, of elevating form above substance.

When people say that the authority of Scripture or the centrality of Jesus is in question, actually it's their social, economic and political system that has been built in the name of Jesus that's being threatened," Bell says. "Generally lurking below some of the more venomous, vitriolic criticism is somebody who's created a facade that's not working.

Monday, June 05, 2006

Changes in life

A lot has happened as of late. I graduated with a Bachelor Of Arts in Religion. I resigned from the Chruch where I as Pastor. I have decided to pursue the Master of Arts of Religion instead of the Masters of Divinity. Not something that I would have even thought about a few weeks back. But things change. I still think the M.Div. is the way to go. I have also found myself part of the book Earnestly Contending for the Faith By Dr. John W. Gregson. He wrote the Fifty year history of the B.M.A. Theological Seminary. It is a really great book and I have enjoyed reading it.

Saturday, June 03, 2006

my simple resume

Christopher D. Price

Born May 3, 1976 in San Diego, California
Married Denise Foster on June 26, 1998 (BSE, ETBU, Spring 1996)
Licensed at Calvary Baptist Church, Crockett, TX in September, 1998
Daughter, Remington born September 2, 1999 (six years old and amazing)
Ordained as Pastor by Carlos Missionary Baptist Church, Carlos, TX on June 26, 2005

March 27, 2005 Present     Pastor                 Carlos Missionary Baptist Church, Carlos, TX

Responsibility includes exposition of Scripture, administering ordinances, providing direction for educational ministries, training teachers, outreach programming and soul winning, and new families.  Additionally, added children friendly elements to worship, developed relationships with the community, led in church remodeling program.

August 2004 March 27, 2005     Pulpit Supply
20032004     Youth Team Leader                              Central Baptist Church, Crockett, TX
Responsible for translating the Pastor’s vision to the ministry of the youth, provide direction and leadership of youth ministry team, aided in transition between youth interims, established a  hybrid discipleship sports outreach ministry.

2001–2002      Youth Pastor                                    West Side Baptist Church, Crockett, TX
Implemented weekly discipleship class, monthly fellowship, and developed youth ministry as family ministry.  Worked to train youth to influence their surroundings as Christians and be bold for Christ.  
1999–2000      Pastor of Youth and Outreach                              North Side Baptist Church, Mineola, TX
Responsibility included the planning and leading of all programming for discipleship, worship, ministry, fellowship, and evangelism of youth as well as direction all evangelism and outreach efforts at North Side.
AWANA Leader, Sunday School Director / Teacher – children, youth, college and career, adult; Vacation Bible School Director and Teacher (Youth), Monthly Men‘s Devotional Leader and Nursing Home Minister, Pulpit Supply and Substitute Teacher for a Christian Academy, Worked with Media Ministries – Internet, Digital, Video, Audio, Print, Chaplaincy Training, BMATS Student Body Vice-President, B.J. Allbritian Ministerial Alliance Member, Outreach event planning, and recruiting for Seminary.

Angelina College                                                                           Lufkin, TX
Core classes
Jacksonville  College                                                              Jacksonville, TX
Core classes

Baptist Missionary Association Theological Seminary                                                      Jacksonville, TX
Graduated May 20, 2006 with a B.A.R. and concurrently working on at M.Div. at B.M.A.T.S.

1520 E. Pine Street, Jacksonville, Texas 75766
Home 903-586-3208   Cell 936 -852-3627

when it is you time to go ...

Dan “the man” Phillips of Pyromaniacs has a great blog entry about how we never know when God will call us home.  Or death as we know it.  It is a must read.

Saturday, May 27, 2006

the cult of oprah

When I said it no one really listened and a few chuckled. Casting Crowns sang about it and people began to take notice. Now Marc Driscoll has blogged about it and the world is begining to listen for the first time. It might be to late but Marc is echoing what I have been saying, and I think he says it nicer than me.

Wednesday, May 24, 2006

The Testimony of Charles Spurgeon

i have heard but have not found yet, that Spurgeon wrote a fore word to a baptist history in whcih he was seen to be still be holding to the landmarks. while i have not found this yet, i do offer you this from Three Witnesses for the Baptists , By Curtis A. Pugh, Chapter Two -The First Witness. Also included are footnotes to the sources for verification and refrence
Charles Haddon Spurgeon is said to be the most extensively read preacher since the apostles. His books and sermons have been reprinted numerous times both as collections and as individual pieces. Spurgeon (1834-1892) was converted during his teenage years and shortly thereafter began to preach. He was privileged to preach to multitudes both in rented auditoriums and in the meeting houses of his own church in London, England. Under Spurgeon's leadership this congregation built a meeting house known as the Metropolitan Tabernacle which would seat six thousand people. Whereas Mr. Spurgeon was not nearly as conscientious in church polity as we think consistent with Bible principles, he evidences a clear understanding of the origin of Baptist churches.

Before the congregation moved into the Metropolitan Tabernacle, while still meeting at the New Park Street location in 1860, Spurgeon preached these words:

"I am not ashamed of the denomination to which I belong, sprung as we are, direct from the loins of Christ, having never passed through the turbid stream of Romanism, and having an origin apart from all dissent or Protestantism, because we have existed before all other sects..." [9]

During the next year, 1861, after moving to the new Tabernacle, Spurgeon proclaimed:

"We believe that the Baptists are the original Christians. We did not commence our existence at the reformation, we were reformers before Luther or Calvin were born; we never came from the church of Rome, for we were never in it, but we have an unbroken line up to the apostles themselves. We have always existed from the very days of Christ, and our principles, sometimes veiled and forgotten, like a river which may travel underground for a little season, have always had honest and holy adherents." [10]

Later, that same year Spurgeon boldly proclaimed for all the world to hear:

"And now it seems to me, at this day, when any say to us, 'You, as a denomination, what great names can you mention? What fathers can you speak of?' We may reply, 'More than any other under heaven, for we are the old apostolic Church that have never bowed to the yoke of princes yet; we, known among men, in all ages, by various names, such as Donatists, Novatians, [sic] Paulicians, Petrobrussians, Cathari, Arnoldists, Hussites, Waldenses, Lollards, and Anabaptists, have always contended for the purity of the Church, and her distinctness and separation from human government. Our fathers were men inured to hardships, and unused to ease. They present to us, their children, an unbroken line which comes legitimately from the apostles, not through the filth of Rome, not by the manipulations of prelates, but by the Divine life, the Spirit's anointing, the fellowship of the Son in suffering and of the Father in truth." [11]

Such evidence shows that Mr. Spurgeon was not backward about openly and frequently speaking out concerning the history of the people now called Baptists! This writer wishes all Baptist ministers were so forward in this matter!

In 1881, some TWENTY YEARS LATER, Spurgeon was still preaching the same things regarding the origin of Baptists. It is most significant that after twenty years of further study, ministry, and association with both Baptists and others, Mr. Spurgeon still believed in the apostolic origin and perpetuity of Baptist churches. He declared:

"History has hitherto been written by our enemies, who never would have kept a single fact about us upon the record if they could have helped it, and yet it leaks out every now and then that certain poor people called Anabaptists were brought up for condemnation. From the days of Henry II [A.D. 1154-1189] to those of Elizabeth [1558-1603] we hear of certain unhappy heretics who were hated of all men for the truth's sake which was in them. We read of poor men and women, with their garments cut short, turned out into the fields to perish in the cold, and anon of others who were burnt at Newington for the crime of Anabaptism. Long before your Protestants were known of, these horrible Anabaptists, as they were unjustly called, were protesting for the 'one Lord, one faith, and one baptism.'" [12] [Brackets mine: C.A.P.].

[9] C.H. Spurgeon, NEW PARK STREET PULPIT, Vol. 16, 1860, (Pasadena, Texas, Pilgrim Publications, 1973 reprint), p. 66.

[10] C.H. Spurgeon, METROPOLITAN TABERNACLE PULPIT, Vol. 7, 1861 (Pasadena, Texas, Pilgrim Publications, 1973 reprint), p. 225

[11] Spurgeon, ibid., Vol. 7, p. 613.

[12] Spurgeon, ibid., Vol. 27, p. 249.

Tuesday, May 23, 2006

mark's book

i got mark driscoll' s book confessions of a reformissionary rev. on 5/19/06. i left for church that friday night and did not ge a chance to crack it open till about 10:00 pm or so saturday night. but i finished it that night/morning. i closed the book at around 2 am. a simply great book that needs to be read. Not only that but mark's style of writing and his openess about the early work at mars hill make it easy to read. the book just makes you wnat to read it. I read the whole hing and the napped, got up and went to church and preached.
anyway more to come


Saturday the 20th of May was a momentous day for the Price family. After a long time I graduated with a B.A.R. or a Bachelor of Arts of Religion. The unique thing is that my daughter will be graduating May 25th from kindergarten. The ceremony was wonderful with Dr. John M. Adams of Mantachie, Ms as the commencement speaker.

One unique feature of the service was the hooding of M.Div. student Dr. Dan Baber. Dan is a teaching elder at a Church plant, father of five, husband of one and a emergency room doctor. When they hooded him, the seminary staff did not just give applause. They rose to thier feet and gave him a standing ovation. Dan is rumored to have never recieved anything less than a hundred on his work at B.M.A.T.S.

This was not the only standing ovation for he day. Jim Shine, Pastor of Enterprise Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Tx and New Testament Greek Professor at B.M.A.T.S. had studied at Baylor Univeristy many years ago for his Ph.D. He left after about Thirty hours due to theological diffrences. He is not the first nor the last. The Seminary conferred upon him a honorary Doctorate of Divinity. Bro. Shine, can not be called Dr. Shine, which is somethign he has always told his students not to do becuase he felt it should be reserved for those who have earned it.

The D.D. was become a meaningless degree due to some handing it to anyone who walked by. But this was not always so.

From Wikipedia - In the United Kingdom, D.D. has traditionally been the highest doctorate granted by universities, usually conferred upon a religious scholar of standing and distinction. In descending order of seniority, the D.D. degree is followed by LL.D. (or D.C.L.) for law, M.D. (or D.M.) for medicine, Litt.D. (or D.Litt.) for letters, and D.Sc. (or Sc.D.) for science. The high status of the D.D. qualification in British universities owed to their traditional affiliation with the Christian church. As universities became increasingly secular in the 20th century, the D.D. degree lost much of its preeminence in practice, though officially it is still the most senior qualification at the universities of Oxford, Durham, and Cambridge

Friday, May 19, 2006

Wednesday, May 17, 2006

mark it up!

i am not a great book marker. sometimes my lines are not straight. sometimes i underline the wrong stuff, or i am not sure what to underline. i want to keep great notes, but some times my writing is poor. i have found three articles that will help you and me.

scot mcknight has a helpful post on how to mark a book when you read it.

al moler has agreat one on his together for the gospel about marking books. in paragraph six on his post

mortimer j. adler has a great article on his site abouthow to mark abook

Saturday, May 13, 2006

Spurgeon was not of reformed tradition

in the Words of Charles Spurgeon:

"We believe that the Baptists are the original Christians. We did not commence our existence at the reformation, we were reformers before Luther and Calvin were born; we never came from the Church of Rome, for we were never in it, but we have an unbroken line up to the apostles themselves. We have always existed from the days of Christ, and our principles, sometimes veiled and forgotten, like a river which may travel under ground for a little season, have always had honest and holy adherents. Persecuted alike by Romanists and Protestants of almost every sect, yet there has never existed a Government holding Baptist principles which persecuted others; nor, I believe, any body of Baptists ever held it to be right to put the consciences of others under the control of man..."

Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1861). Volume 7, Page 225.

Friday, May 12, 2006

baptists afraid of water!

i read this over at Ministry and Music - Seeking the Old Paths . i just made laugh.

abstracts of priniciples affrims the landmarks

Many of the Reformed Theology Group cling to the Abstracts of Principles as proof of many of their doctrines (NOT ALL do this). I have many time wondered way they would turn to this and not scripture or some thing earlier in the spectrum on theological time. This in not of true importance here though. Let us look at Abstract XVI and see how it affirms one of the landmarks of a true church.

XVI. The Lord's Supper.The Lord's Supper is an ordinance of Jesus Christ, to be administered with the elements of bread and wine, and to be observed by His churches till the end of theworld. It is in no sense a sacrifice, but is designed to commemorate His death, to confirm the faith and other graces of Christians, and to be a bond, pledge and renewal of their communion with Him, and of their church fellowship.

Now as we slow examine this abstract we find that this ordinance has given to the Churches by Christ to observe, not the universal church (catholic church). Additionally we find that this is to be done by the churches until the end of the world; this seems to have smacking of perpetuity to it, that Christ’s Churches would have never been extinguished and lost. Furthermore, the term Churches is used and not Church, a singular noun. The ordinance is to be celebrated in multiple, autonomous, singular churches, not in a universal church. As for Christians they are to be members of a church and not freelancing their faith in a lone ranger way. Scripture would warn and command against this. The real kicker here to use the vernacular is that the abstract says that this celebration of the ordinance of the Lord's Supper is to be between Christ and Church. How could one bond, pledge and "renew" their fellowship with Christ and a stranger? Where would the renewal be? Would there not have to first be a relationship to begin with? That would be new, no renew.

Additionally, Abstract XV on baptism says that baptism “is prerequisite to church fellowship, and to participation in the Lord's Supper.” This means that one must be are regenerate baptized believer prior to being a member of the Church and being allowed to partake in the Lord’s Supper. Does his not set a fence at the table?

Abstract XIV reads, “The Lord Jesus is the head of the Church, which is composed of all His true disciples, and in Him is invested supremely all power for its government. According to His commandment, Christians are to associate themselves into particular societies or churches; and to each of these churches He hath given needful authority for administering that order, discipline and worship which He hath appointed. The regular officers of a Church are Bishops or Elders, and Deacons." From this abstract we find that the Church in question has to be the local, not a universal or we would be given over to a Roman Catholic church government. This would mean one could vote at any church anytime. And that you pastor was now over all, he was a pope.

Unfortunately, I do not have the time to fully work though all the ramifications of this. Yet, I would like to hear you feed back on this.

Wednesday, May 10, 2006

perpetuity of the church

"Perpetuity of the church is a doctrine which is cherished by Missionary Baptists. By perpetuity is meant that there has never been a day since Christ founded His church when there was no scriptural church upon earth. The church shall continue in existence until He shall come again. Church ‘succession’ is another term which denotes perpetuity, implying that churches have succeeded in all ages the one founded by Christ. Baptists believe in a succession of churches---not of the apostles, as taught by the Roman doctrine of ‘apostolic succession.’"

D. N. Jackson, Baptist Doctrines and History, p. 53

Tuesday, May 09, 2006

persecute the church

"It would be a godsend if the Church would suffer persecution today; she hasn't suffered it for hundreds of years. She is growing rich and lagging behind. Going back."

-Billy Sunday, The Need for Revivals, From "Billy Sunday: The Man and His Message", by William T. Ellis, Philadelphia: John C. Winston Co., 1914

pendleton - true churches

From: "Ben Stratton"

Date: Wed May 3, 2006 6:21pm(PDT)
Subject: Pendleton - True Churches

"If Pedobaptists fail to exemplify the precepts of the New Testament in reference to the subjects and the action of baptism, they have no churches among them. They have their organizations, but they are not gospel organizations. It will be said that there are good, pious men among Pedobaptists. This is cheerfully conceded, but it proves nothing as to the evangelical nature of those organizations. There are good, pious men in Masonic Lodges, Bible Societies, Temperance Societies, and Colonization Societies; but Masonic Lodges, Bible Societies, Temperance Societies, and Colonization Societies are not churches of Christ. Nor are Pedobaptist societies."
J.M. PendletonJames M. Pendleton [1811-1891] was a noted Baptist pastor, author, professor, and theologian during the nineteenth century. The above quote is from his 1854 book "An Old Landmark Reset" on page 10. Pendleton acknowledged that there are saved individual in non-Baptist churches, but because of their unbiblical doctrines, their churches can not be considered New Testament Churches.)
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more door

D. N. Jackson, once a leader in the A.B.A. and then in the N.A.B.A. (now know was the B.M.A.A. - Baptist Missionary Assocation of America wrote, "Baptism is one way of making a confession of faith in Christ. Scriptural baptism is performed by the authority of the triune God (Matthew 28:19-20). No one without baptism is qualified for membership in a church, but baptism does not wholly qualify him. It is the ceremonial qualification he is required to meet. It is the first act of Christian obedience after one's profession, although one may have the opportunity to witness for Christ as Saviour before he is baptized."

Again Bro. Jackson said, "The rite of water baptism, as a mode, is a condition of membership. It is a primary condition, as membership cannot be Scripturally obtained without it. It is a condition and not the door into a church. The "door" is the voice of the church by which members may be received and by which they may be dismissed. Any act that is made the door of admission must of necessity be made the door of dismission. Baptism, therefore, cannot meet that requirement, as it would be impossible to "unbaptize" a person! In New Testament cases baptism always preceded one's initial church membership (Acts 2:41; 10:47). Baptism is a primary condition of church membership only as it presupposes the subject's regeneration and profession of faith in Christ."

Bro. Jackson makes a very interesting point. He argues that if baptism is the door into the church, would it not also be the door out. He says that the "door" is the voice of the church by which members are to be received and by which they are dismissed.

Churches receive and dismiss members by some form of action, usually. It may be a negative vote wherein the moderator simply asks if any object to the reception. When one comes from another church by letter or statement, it is the action of the church or the voice of the church that receives him into the fellowship.

Members are dismissed by church action. If it be by withdrawing of fellowship it is church action that does this (See Matt. 18:15-18; I Cor. 5:1-11). If one is dismissed by letter, that is done by church action. Of course, if one dies, the church takes no action for they have no say in the death of a member. In every other case, the way in or the way out of the church is by the voice of the church, the action of the body. Is baptism the only door to the church?

more can be found here @
The Grace Proclamator and Promulgator, Vol. XV, No., 1 January 1, 1999

the door

In a message on baptism, Eld. John Gilpin relates an event in which a woman baptized by a Campbellite church sought membership in the church he pastored. She sought to come on the basis of her baptism.
Among other things, Bro. Gilpin said, I told her that it would be necessary to rebaptize her, as Baptist baptism was the only door into a Baptist Church. Note that he said that baptism was the "only door" into a Baptist church. Gilpin held baptism was not only the door, it was the only door into a Baptist Church.

Gilpin quotes are from "The Bible and Water Baptism", The Baptist Examiner, Vol. 43, No. 46, December 6, 1965, P. 5

Thursday, May 04, 2006

with Jesus or with Witsett

So when did the Baptist Church or a believing Body begin? Whitsett would leave the Baptist's as a Roman Catholic-lite splinter group, a new denominaion created by man. This type of belief is said by many greater than me to have sot been accepted till after the 19th century.
[p. 143] Here is an extract from the encyclopedia article:

"The earliest organized Baptist Church belongs to the year 1610 or 1611. . . . Ezekiel Holliman baptized Williams and the rest of his company. The ceremony was most likely performed by sprinkling; the Baptists of England had not adopted immersion, and there is no reason which renders it probable that Williams was in advance of them."
Doctor Henry M. King of Rhode Island pointed out this as an attack on the Baptists, and criticized rather sharply Doctor Whitsitt's position. Next Dr. J. H. Spencer, the Kentucky Baptist historian, wrote an article which appeared in the Western Recorder in which he strongly dissented from Doctor Whitsitt's position. Dr. T. T. Eaton, editor of the Western Recorder, was at this time in Europe, but Mrs. Joe Eaton Peck, who had charge of the paper in the absence of her brother, took up the matter in the Recorder and most vigorously assailed Doctor Whitsitt's position, maintaining that the Baptists, under different names, had had a continuous history, and a uniform practice on baptism, from the beginning of the Christian era.
After the return of Doctor Eaton he took up the controversy and became the leader of the opposition to Doctor Whitsitt's position. The friends of Doctor Whitsitt (known in the controversy as "Whitsittites") started and used the Baptist Argus as an organ of propaganda and defense, while the "Anti-Whitsittites," as they were called, used the Western Recorder for the same purpose. This, of course, made the controversy all the more bitter and personal in

Tuesday, May 02, 2006

criswell on emergent

I just got a copy of the Criswell Theological Review. The theme for this go around is The Emergent Church. I give a read through and let you know as I go.

a little history reminder

The Whitsitt Controversy happen many years ago. so long ago that we, as baptist have forgotten. Here a link to Nolin on this subject as well as an excerpt from his writing to remind you and stir intrest. Let me know what you think.

History of Kentucky Baptists -- 1770-1922, By William Dudley Nowlin

Chapter 13 [p. 142]
What is known as "The Whitsitt Controversy" began in the spring of 1896. Doctor Whitsitt wrote an article on the Baptists for Johnson's Encyclopedia, in which he set forth his theory that the English Baptists did not begin to baptize by immersion until 1641, when a part of the Anabaptists, as they were then called, began immersion. Doctor Whitsitt in this article used language which many Baptists interpreted to mean that immersion as a Christian ordinance was started at that time. It is but fair to Doctor Whitsitt, however, to say that he in the introduction to his book "A Question in Baptist History," a book called out by the controversy, says:

"Immersion as a religious rite was practiced by John the Baptist about the year 30 of our era, and was solemnly enjoined by our Saviour upon all his ministers to the end of time. No other observance was in use for baptism in New Testament times. The practice, though some times greatly perverted, has yet been continued from the apostolic age down to our own. As I understand the scriptures, immersion is essential to Christian baptism."

Thursday, April 27, 2006

bastard churches

from page 16 of Confessions of a reformission rev. : hard lessons from an emerging missional
by Mark Driscoll
"One well known expert promoting this new undefined, undisciplined, and unbiblical ecclesiology was once asked how we can possibly define what a church is if his advice of not having elders, deacons, members, discipline, or doctrine was heeded. His response was simply, 'If it smells like a church, it is a church.' My response was that sometimes a whore wears the same perfume as a wife, and it's no different with the bride of Christ."
Mark is not a landmarker, but this quote certainly jives with it. You know I may be the first person to ever use the termlandmarkerr and jive inthee same sentence. Some probably cringe at the thought. Anyway I think Mark gives us a great illustrationn of bastard churches or should I say Gospel societiess

If it's in the Bible, it's Baptist

Urshë Thalór said...
and then there are the Calvinistic charismatics ...[sometimes my pastor just shakes his head at me]Then again, my pastor has often said, "If it's in the Bible, it's Baptist."
April 25, 2006

the history of failure

"The history of failure can almost be summed up in two words: too late.
* Too late in comprehending the purpose of a potential problem.
* Too late in realizing the impending danger.
* Too late in preparedness.
* Too late in uniting all possible means of help.
* Too late in standing with one's friends."
- General Douglas Macarthur

Wednesday, April 26, 2006

something i'd like to read

Baptism and the Baptists

Baptism and the Baptists
Theology and Practice in the Twentieth Century Britain
Studies in Baptist History and Thought - SBHT 1
by Anthony R. Cross
Paternoster Press,2000
xvii + 530 pages,English
ISBN: 0853649596
List Price: $41.99
Your Price: $25.19

Tuesday, April 11, 2006

bad news of Judas

wow, more garbage is propigated about the Church and Jesus. Here is a great place to get info and help.

He Must Reign

"He Must Reign"

Ist Cor. 15:25-28

  1. Public Inauguration
  2. Present Existence
  3. Inclusive Extent
  4. Ultimate Intent

This will be the Easer sermon at Sylvania Church which is pastored by Dr. Matthew McKeller.

pray need

Please pray for my family and myself as we fight for Graduation, try to figure out God's will for some family matters and need rest.

Thursday, April 06, 2006

the wonders of technology

There was a buzz stirring on the blogsphere yesterday about a site called The idea is that all of the tomes hat you would find at the library, all those super rare books you want to get your cruddy little paws on all of the things you don't have the space or the money for are availible to you 24/7 with no fines or quips that is it checked out. I think that this is great but would love to hear some feedback.

Wednesday, April 05, 2006

it works

it works! it works! yeah! i finally got the code straightened out to show the greek from the right way. this is just the coolest. i am so happy now.


Psa 51:17 "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise." NASB

How can you go wrong blogging Scripure.

Sunday, April 02, 2006


So as I have said in my lost blog entry I have been very convicted by supermom's Scipture memory. I have always stunk at this and to be honest I have not put enough time or effort into this. Well no more. I have chosen Romans Chapter 8 of the NASB and I willl be struggleing to succeed to at this. Wish me luck and keep me in your prayers.

Rom 8:1-39 NASB Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. (3) For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, (4) so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (5) For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. (6) For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, (7) because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, (8) and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (9) However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (10) If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. (11) But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. (12) So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh-- (13) for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (14) For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (15) For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" (16) The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, (17) and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. (18) For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. (19) For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. (20) For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope (21) that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. (22) For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. (23) And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. (24) For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? (25) But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. (26) In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; (27) and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. (28) And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. (29) For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; (30) and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. (31) What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? (32) He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? (33) Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; (34) who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. (35) Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? (36) Just as it is written, "FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG; WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED." (37) But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. (38) For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, (39) nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.